Saturday, July 28, 2012

Craigslist Goes After Website Developers Using Its Data


Craigslist Goes After Website Developers Using Its Data

  
Photograph by Tim Shaffer/Landov
Craigslist, founded by Craig Newmark, filed a lawsuit last week against two website developers.
The Craigslist logo is a peace sign, but the company has been dropping legal bombs recently.
The San Francisco-based company, which runs online bulletin boards, filed a lawsuit last week against two website developers, 3Taps and PadMapper, which tap into Craigslist’s data without permission. Craigslist also sent at least one cease-and-desist notice to another developer this month.
While Craigslist may have a hippie persona, cultivated by the affable founder Craig Newmark, the website has shown little love for programmers who try to build tools that connect with the company’s feeds. Craigslist has historically shut out applications that siphon its listings with legal threats, as it did in May with Craigspal, and by closing holes in its systems, as it did in 2008 with CraigsFindr.
This approach contrasts with the strategy of companies such as Apple, EBay, Facebook and Google, which are jockeying for the admiration of developers in the hopes of creating the largest “app ecosystem.” There is no shortage of tech conferences catering to developers.
Craigslist has remained a leader in online classifieds, partly because of its protective strategy. Google and Facebook, while having sleeker designs, were unable to pull people away from Craigslist’s orbit with their efforts, which were shut down. AOL, too, may be gearing up to push harder into local listings, according to comments by AOL Chief Executive Officer Tim Armstrong today.
Craigslist, which did not respond to a request for comment, said in its lawsuit that 3Taps and PadMapper “are unlawfully and unabashedly mass-harvesting” Craiglist postings. By taking Craigslist assets without permission, these companies are competing for profit and flouting Craigslist’s restrictions that keep each city’s board separate in order to foster community, the company said in the lawsuit.
3Taps offers developers a service that aggregates Craigslist feeds. It also runs a search engine called Craiggers, which has the tagline, “craigslist data, better than craigslist!” 3Taps did not respond to a request for comment.
PadMapper uses 3Taps services for its apartment-listings search engine, which relies on Craigslist data to show where rentals are located on a map. Eric DeMenthon, who runs the company from his apartment in Mountain View, California, said in an e-mail that his income from running PadMapper has barely turned a profit. He is unsure how he will afford to defend himself in court, he wrote.
“I would have much preferred to just talk with them and figure out something we were both happy with, but they weren’t willing to meet,” DeMenthon wrote. “A single meeting could have made this a non-issue for both of us.”
Craigslist offered to let PadMapper license its data, DeMenthon said. The license costs $5,000 per year and gives Craigslist 10 percent of an app’s revenue, according to a copy of the agreement obtained by Bloomberg.
Jeff Kastner, who received a cease-and-desist letter this month but was not named in the lawsuit, wasn’t offered a similar licensing deal for his series of Craigslist-powered websites, he wrote in an e-mail. He ran about 50 websites that Craigslist targeted. Kastner is in the process of taking down his sites, which earned $24,000 from Google ads over two years, he said.
“It was never a primary source of income,” Kastner wrote. “Not worth the hassle of a lawsuit.”

Wednesday, July 18, 2012

craigslist staff puts some clarification to the pets adoption issue.


pet SALES are prohibited clstaff° > 07/18 22:23:09
Our prohibited items page lists the following that should not be sold on craigslist: 

Household pets of any kind including dogs, cats, primates, cage birds, rodents, reptiles, amphibians, fish. Re-homing with small adoption fee OK. Pet animal parts, blood, or fluids - including to stud/breeding service 

This is a craigslist site policy. If you want to sell a pet, animal parts, or breeding services, please do not use craigslist to do so. 

small adoption fee may cover things such as vaccinations, microchip registration fees, and basic veterinary wellness examinations. It is also perfectly acceptable to advertise a pet to be given away for free, although we encourage posters to make sure that such pets go to good homes to prevent animal abuse and/or neglect. 

We ask readers to flag postings that do not follow these policies. 

From:  https://forums.craigslist.org/?act=sticky&ID=40


I have altered the "pet adoption ads" advice. The new information is highlighted. 

1)"small adoption fee" does NOT mean "sale price". Pet adoption/rehoming fees must be small, stated in actual $$, and justified by recent vetting expenses (spay/neuter, shots, worming, microchip, etc). You can't charge for market value, the price you paid for the pet, accessories, care/labor, food, or anything except the recent care performed to get the pet ready for adoption. Why? Because craigslist staff asks you to, here: https://forums.craigslist.org/?act=sticky&ID=40 

2)You should list your fee in the ad in actual dollars. Saying "rehoming fee applies" isn't enough. You may be flagged on suspicion of being a pet sale in disguise. 

3)If you're rehoming a pet for free, make sure you include the word "Free" in both the title and the body of the ad. It's also a good idea to specify all measures you will take to ensure the pet goes to a good home. 

4)If you're rehoming a puppy (and kittens soon), it must be at least 8 weeks old to be adopted.. Saying "will be 8 weeks on..." isn't enough. You may be flagged on suspicion of circumventing California, and other state's laws.http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stuscacalpencode597z.htm 

5)Pet adoption ads belong in the "community" section, under "pets". Advertising a pet adoption anywhere else is miscategorized.

6)Pet services ( pet sitter, groomers, etc.) ads belong in the "services" section under "pets". Advertising pet services anywhere else maybe miscategorized. 

7)All pet animal parts, blood, or fluids - including but not limited to stud/breeding services are prohibited on craigslist.http://www.craigslist.org/about/prohibited.items 

8)Household pets of any kind including but not limited to dogs, cats, primates, cage birds, rodents, reptiles, amphibians, fish, are prohibited to be sold on craigslist. http://www.craigslist.org/about/prohibited.items 

9)Rescues and shelters must follow the same rules as everyone. Overposting may become an issue with rescues and shelters that do not play fair.
 

Bullwinkle places miscat ad for missing squirrel?


Avoid scams and fraud by dealing locally! Beware any deal involving Western Union, Moneygram, wire transfer, cashier check, money order, shipping, escrow, or any promise of transaction protection/certification/guarantee. More info

Lost Squirrel - $50 (Raleigh, NC)


Date: 2012-07-18, 2:50PM EDT
Reply to: crhdv-1234567890@sale.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]


Unfortunately last night I lost my pet squirrel that I have raised since he was a baby. He is a male gray North Carolina squirrel. If you see any squirrels that fit this description or that look like the picture please, please call/text me. Please no emails as I am frantically trying to get my furry friend back. His name is Spike and he is very nice and won't bite. There is a $50 reward for wever returns him to me. I lost him near crabtree valley mall last night.

Jeff (919)-XXX-XXXX




  • Location: Raleigh, NC
  • it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 1234567890

Sunday, July 8, 2012

Possible Animal Abuse Reports Involving craigslist "free to good home" pet ads.

(Picture from Facebook, not part of the MCSO flash alert)
MCSO asks for Public's Help to Investigate Animal Abuse Reports - 07/08/12 
The Marion County Sheriff's Office has received a number of disturbing calls and emails from concerned residents reporting that domestic animals are being used for target practice in areas of Marion County.

The reports indicate that people who are responding to Craigslist ads offering free domestic animals to good homes, and then using the animals (specifically cats) for target practice.

We are currently trying to determine if these reports are factual. Some reports are quoting Facebook postings and we have heard that there may be photos supporting the behavior.

Our Office aggressively investigates all reports of animal neglect or cruelty and we take these reports quite seriously.

We provide three avenues for reporting what you know about these crimes:

You can call the Marion County Sheriff's Office Tip line at 503.540.8079, and remain anonymous.

You can directly email whatever information you have to Deputy Mark Ferron at Mferron@co.marion.or.us .

You can send any photos depicting this behavior or showing the animals reportedly shot, to Deputy Ferron or the Public Information Officer, Don Thomson at dthomson@co.marion.or.us. Thomson may also be contacted at 503.932.8002.

If these reports are factual, we need your help to stop these attacks and arrest the offenders.


Link to actual MCSO flash alert: http://flashalert.net/news.html?id=1294&alert=1